I have an interest in XC hang gliding, but I'm not familiar with any of the bailout LZs around Andy Jackson Airpark. So I
talked to Owen Morse about conducting an AJA bailout LZ lecture and field trip. Where we would learn their locations,
approach, hazards, and anything else that would help with a
safe landing at a bailout LZ. We would then travel to some if these LZs to get a firsthand look at them. We would also fly to and land at
Some of these LZs. He thought it was a great idea! He also suggested that Jonathan Diecth particapte with his vast experience landing out.

So if you're interested, please let us know by responding to this


Mel Torres.

Wish I could Join you all.   From a guy who rarely makes goal.

I wonder if a simple rating system for the Bailouts..maybe with preferred approach direction. I suggest this so it might be easier to remember in the heat of the terror.

Something like:  AJX 10+ LH/SW

                      (AJ Airpark...excellent field (good for high performance glider in no wind)..LH pattern (HG)  

                        Landing   in the SW direction.)

A guy might be able to decipher these codes from his GPS. And PG pilots could gain some insight as well. Like, if its Top landing on Crestline might be: CLL-0+ FOW(fly on all). S...but you might be able to stuff a PG there without plastering yourself against rocks or trees.

Rating system Codes for GPS?

And maybe you could decide the RLF parameters at AJX.  "If I can land here....with these parameters...more than once...I shouuld be fine for XXXX/ XX/XX"




I am not sure if I am experienced enough to land at the alt LZ, but I think would be good to know where they are just in case. 




i think it would be great to have an interactive map with bailout lz's marked.  a general description of the lz could be entered with pictures, hazards to be avoided, etc. then it would be cool to have this information able to be updated any time someone lands there and discovers things have changed.

does anyone know how to create such a map?

An interesting and possibly useful addition might be a map of the "sucker holes".  You know, those spots that seemed like a good idea from the air, but once you get low enough to be committed, have issues. 

Even some of the good bailouts have hidden hazards while there are many places that look wonderful from the air and on closer inspection are infested with landmines and pungee sticks. .

Hey Kids,

On I have a page that covers the 2001 dam race.

The safety page is where I list the major bailouts that I consider important.
Please feel free to use images from there for this wiki map. and help your self to any content that fits.

The page can be found here:

Rob let me reprint his "XC east from Marshall" page.
It too has loads of great info.


Love the idea, and I'm in.  The only thing is, I worry a little that some of those fields might get some resistance from residents, businesses, land owners or authorities if they get used too often or by too many people.  So, I hope they remain as true "bail outs" and that we don't draw unwanted attention.  In other words, we should tread quickly and lightly when we occasionally land out.  My 2 cents.  But I'm definitely in if we're gonna have a field trip :)


I am 100% simpatico w/ Erik D.  It's no secret that I land out more than just about anybody and nearly all of it is trespassing in one form or another. FAR 103 does not protect me from misdemeanor prosecution and petty fines or municipal court appearances if the landowner of leaseholder chooses to complain.

The #1 rule of landing out is: DO NO HARM - To either yourself or the property.


Never forget that we are guests on either public or private property. I don't think I'm the king of the schmooze but on my last out-landing behind Wal-Mart in Highland I was really testing my limits on both my glide across the foot of Harrison Mtn and my glide path across the Wal-Mart parking lot and over their roof. A LOT of local residents 'enjoyed' my landing with the exception of the homeowner who called 911 for fear I'd land on his roof.  I was greeted by the shopping center parking lot security guard who knows me well from past visits and a sheriff's deputy responding to the call. I handled it all with tact, courtesy and humor.

Keep your USHPA card with you and be prepared to show it. Be prepared to explain that we have waived our rights to sue for any reason if we get injured. Explain that we each carry $1 million in liability coverage. California law protects all property owners again liability if anyone is injured engaging in outdoor recreation on their property.

Carry your business cards or calling cards and be prepared to hand it out. Make yourself know as a responsible member of the community and not some itinerant or transient out for a good time and unknown cost to others. Rob's 66-year old student, A.J. is a local resident who watched me land in the sandy wash below 40th St. Yes, we get new pilots from folks who meet us when we land out.

There's lots more............

Be advise, this not a planned event/lecture/field trip to the "Bailout" LZs to use as an altinate LZ. It is intended to make us aware of these locations for emergency use if you are not able to clime out and have no Choice but to land out. Owen and Jonathan will address as much as they can about any of these "bailout" LZs on the day we schedule for this event.

This seems like a really good idea.  Surprised someone didn't act on it before.  Most X/C sites LZ's are abundant, but at Crestline and Sylmar it might take some anxiety out of your first excursion to know your not going to die.

Add me to the list. Any thing to educate and reduce the anxiety of landing out would seem to boost a safety factor for pilots wanting to leave the patch.

maybe we see if the k-van is available at 9 in the morning to take us east and check out a couple bailout sites?

I have no business even considering xc, but if and when I do, it would be useful to at least have a foundation. So, if there is room available, please sign me up.